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- From: thecrow@iconn.net (The Crow)
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- Subject: Re: can you help me learn programming ?
- Date: 29 Jan 1996 04:39:29 GMT
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- In article <bob-2601961352080001@ssu-10en85.sonoma.edu>, bob@cs.sonoma.edu s
- >A couple of years ago I taught two (university) classes, introduction
- >to programming (done in C), and C programming for students who took the
- >introductory course in Pascal. I used the same book for both classes,
- >thinking that the C programming class would go much faster and get further
- >in the book than the Intro. class. Wrong! I ended up giving almost identical
- >assignments to both classes. And I could not detect any difference in the
- >quality of code coming from the (Pascal) experienced students, compared
- >to the intro. level students.
- >
- >This was NOT a well-controlled study. And my observations are purely
- >anecdotal. But I have posted this on the net several times and have
- >yet to see anyone present any REAL DATA (even as flawed as my data)
- >that would suggest that learning Pascal first is a good thing to do.
- >All I have heard are opinions that it is a good thing.
- >
- >Thus far, my conclusion is that learning Pascal first will not hurt
- >anyone, but it is an inefficient way to learn how to program.
- >
- >Bob Plantz
- >bob@cs.sonoma.edu
-
- Well, I took a summer course at Rice Univeristy (I think I was 14 at the time)
- and took both the Pascal and the C/C++ class. I ended up writing similar code
- in both classes as you said. However, when learning on your own this may not
- be the case. I do think that C/C++ would be VERY daunting as a very first
- language though. You look at a page of C/C++ code when you know nothing about
- programming, and it might as well be japanese. You look at pascal and you can
- kinda figure it out. As far as quality of code, I have seen many kids using
- gotos to make loops and not declaring variables with BASIC...But then these
- kids usually dont end up as programmers.
-
- anyone ever seen the source to ZORK? why is it 85% goto statements?
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